tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post8803235164445738460..comments2024-02-11T01:11:11.604+00:00Comments on Beautiful Gymnastics: China's New Bonus System/COP and Superhuman SimoneBeautiful Gymnasticshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00935698970163328051noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-18276388693061198612013-11-27T22:39:20.325+00:002013-11-27T22:39:20.325+00:00Ariana Agrapides said her dream is to one day comp...Ariana Agrapides said her dream is to one day compete the yurchenko double back. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-29742747902614983692013-11-27T20:12:14.518+00:002013-11-27T20:12:14.518+00:00I'd imagine they'd have to give it over a ...I'd imagine they'd have to give it over a 7, definitely. Mens vaults were really reduced too low..a full point was madness. There's another mens vault I'd like to see and that's the Yurchenko double back :) Beautiful Gymnasticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00935698970163328051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-82386147924869953462013-11-27T09:10:33.975+00:002013-11-27T09:10:33.975+00:00Just looked it up, it's worth a 6.2 in MAG, th...Just looked it up, it's worth a 6.2 in MAG, the piked dragulescu and Ri se gwan's and Seon's vault are a 6.4. the Roche (produnova) is rated a 5.6 the same as their amanar. Obviously the men's code works differently, but stilll WOW. If I had to guess, FIG would rate it a 7.2-7.4 since the double twisting one would be worth close to the TTY which is a 6.8.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-32059843197702757272013-11-26T23:54:23.681+00:002013-11-26T23:54:23.681+00:00Yes, it would be higher. In mens I have heard it&#...Yes, it would be higher. In mens I have heard it's higher than that and the Dragulescu..not sure what their TTY and crazy Yang Hak Seon vaults are worth by comparison though. It is a CRAZY vault, especially when you consider that the version with a full twist less has only been done by a handful of people.<br /><br />Yes, her block goes beyond bad. It's just..wrong. Very strange. I'd like her to at least do Pac Rims. At least.<br /><br />Ooo that would be interesting. Unfortunately yes I think her form would ruin that. If she can that vault safely then I'm all for it. I hope the block has some miracles performed on it first. But focus should be on her basics and flexibility...difficulty, not so much.Beautiful Gymnasticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00935698970163328051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-85801484533956939852013-11-26T20:48:22.949+00:002013-11-26T20:48:22.949+00:00She also says in the video she's working on a ...She also says in the video she's working on a lyout full stepout on beam. I've always wanted to see that, it must look so beautiful, i just hope her bent knees and lack of toe point ruin it for me.<br /><br />What a fantastic gymnast this girl is!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-68937228373893374412013-11-26T20:45:24.174+00:002013-11-26T20:45:24.174+00:00OMFG, can't believe this video. Any idea how m...OMFG, can't believe this video. Any idea how much it would be worth? I think it would be rated higher than the produnova. God Mykayla is such an exciting gymnast to watch. I just hope her coaches realise it's about damn time they polish her execution. <br /><br />Her half on vaults are insane, remember her cheng at fiesta bowl, she landed it perfectly upright and it was so high. She doesn't seem to block properly, she sort of twists onto the horse. I get the feeling she wouldn't be able to do it if she blocked the right way.<br /><br />I really really hope she makes worlds someday, since it's severely unlikely she'll be in Rio. But I just can't see her making it with Mckayla and Simone around for vault and Lexie, Brenna and Simone for floor. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-43434472400956326312013-11-26T20:35:23.927+00:002013-11-26T20:35:23.927+00:00Yes it does. The video is here http://instagram.co...Yes it does. The video is here http://instagram.com/p/e8vYNoymDR/#<br /><br />She looks upright on landing, though of course it's hard to tell. HOW CAN SHE DO THAT off one hand. Seriously, the power she has on half-on (half-on hands wise too!) blocks is incredible. Beautiful Gymnasticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00935698970163328051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-72898828058225427522013-11-26T16:41:13.323+00:002013-11-26T16:41:13.323+00:00I just saw a video on gymnastike with Mykayla Skin...I just saw a video on gymnastike with Mykayla Skinner and she said she's training a half on two and a half. Does that mean she's attempting Li Xiaopeng's vault?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-54633508740913011972013-11-24T17:19:45.716+00:002013-11-24T17:19:45.716+00:00We'll see what Simone can do...but DDS still h...We'll see what Simone can do...but DDS still has the edge. Not landings certainly, but the height, lightness and craziness of her passes.Beautiful Gymnasticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00935698970163328051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-32291725013325058202013-11-24T02:51:35.323+00:002013-11-24T02:51:35.323+00:00Catherine, now that Simone is around, is Daiane do...Catherine, now that Simone is around, is Daiane dos Santos still your favorite tumbler?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-10946177017792564412013-11-23T15:03:03.767+00:002013-11-23T15:03:03.767+00:00I only recently saw Mai's Moors (sounds funny!...I only recently saw Mai's Moors (sounds funny!). It was gloriously refreshing to see it done with pencil-like form..amazing how different it makes the skill look. I'd like Mai to focus on issues like leaps etc. rather than crazy skills I do not believe she is capable of, though I think she would have been at one time.<br /><br />Anon, I think they are using the progression from the tucked double double instead. Both gymnasts had one to begin with, so I'd imagine they would progress from that, to looser tucks, to (almost!) straight.<br /><br />Rachel, I get the impression Simone is pretty much done with height? She just pretty much looks mature and 'done'. I wouldn't be surprised if, if she does grow, it's only an inch or so.<br /><br />Glasgow and Stuttgart are at the wrong time college-wise, but I will be posting about them for sure. And maybe add in Massillia as you say, good idea!Beautiful Gymnasticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00935698970163328051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-83422223296589925252013-11-23T14:56:52.535+00:002013-11-23T14:56:52.535+00:00I don't think there are hard and rules for bod...I don't think there are hard and rules for body proportions. The impression I get is that they prefer shorter torso, longer legs. Zhang is more equal. There are other issues with her, her form is very good but compared to others it was that bit sloppier.<br /><br />I think being able to do a hard and/or time-consuming mount when you want your difficulty in the mid 6's is still going to be an exception, rather than the rule. Sadly!Beautiful Gymnasticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00935698970163328051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-82052955884506158742013-11-23T14:24:42.184+00:002013-11-23T14:24:42.184+00:00I do see your point catherine, but some gymnasts h...I do see your point catherine, but some gymnasts have shown that it's possible to do a great routine with a difficult mount, Asac, Hypolito. I get that it's not for everyone, but I think it would be nice to give a .1 or .2 bonus for gymnast performing D or E and higher mounts on beam an bars, it would make things more interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-25697346914552898412013-11-22T20:58:35.950+00:002013-11-22T20:58:35.950+00:00But Mai is doing it in some sort of spring floor, ...But Mai is doing it in some sort of spring floor, not the regular one. It's weird how she starts the rotation only in the second flip. I don't think she's capable of it on the regular floor, at least not with such good form.<br /><br />And btw, if anyone knows the answer, why does the double double layout seems easier than the full twisting one, I mean neither moors or mykala have ever done one but have double doubles, mykayla has never even competed a double layout. I don't know, in my head, it should be a progression from the regular double layout, then tu full twisting, and the the double double layout.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-88817472288338739752013-11-22T18:56:46.826+00:002013-11-22T18:56:46.826+00:00I so agree with you on the mounts. There is so mu...I so agree with you on the mounts. There is so much untapped potential for creativity and originality there.<br /><br />Catherine, can you tell us more about this body proportion thing? I never knew they were doing this? What do they consider perfect proportions?Lizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05914376241493055568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-56989768406287866452013-11-21T21:18:43.990+00:002013-11-21T21:18:43.990+00:00Also, seen Mai's double double layout? Her for...Also, seen Mai's double double layout? Her form on it is so much prettier than either Moors' or Skinner's, though I think the landing is still too low for it to be competition ready.Rachelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-54519170786509582712013-11-21T20:25:40.749+00:002013-11-21T20:25:40.749+00:00Zhang Yelinzi is definitely not on my list of favo...Zhang Yelinzi is definitely not on my list of favourite Chinese beamers but I would say any day that she had more of a chance staying on beam in Antwerp than Zeng Siqi ever did. She's actually in surprisingly good shape still, given how long she's been around. But yes they never cared about her even with a 6.7 so they certainly aren't going to now. Sure, her form isn't the usual Chinese standard but it's not really all that bad either.<br /><br />Yeah.. rather hoping McKayla will fix that half on block. Simone is amazing but I do think a growth spurt is going to hit soon, it may not really have that big an impact in the long run but she might be a bit off for a couple months.<br /><br />Going to do a Massilia post? Or Massilia-Glasgow-Stuttgart combined post?Rachelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-64389663096686183482013-11-21T19:52:16.349+00:002013-11-21T19:52:16.349+00:00But the bars final was so exciting! Which way will...But the bars final was so exciting! Which way will each of the 8 glide kips face? :p I would love that to happen but it goes against the code..the gymnasts need all the time and all of their energy conserved for the interior of their routines, unfortunately.Beautiful Gymnasticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00935698970163328051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-6571984016040718712013-11-21T19:51:02.870+00:002013-11-21T19:51:02.870+00:00McKayla's half on block has deteriorated so mu...McKayla's half on block has deteriorated so much, it's really wonky now. Sheer determination and her powerful run gets her through. And the knowledge of what happened last year. To be that messed up it mustn't have been great technically to begin with. But Simone's is just textbook, looking forward to that vault :) Her personality is so endearing, in interviews and in Beyond the Routine episodes.<br /><br />I agree, I think it could be a little chaotic in the short term. I think a lot of Russia's at that time would be directly attributable to Alexandrov himself, but hard to know exactly. And yes, I want body type filtering scrapped country-wide. National team and provincial teams. They don't all do it but enough that it has a big impact, and it's just so..against what the current code wants and needs. A good example is Zhang Yelinzi, Her body type is just not what they look for, out of proportion limb length etc. She never got beyond the B team despite having a 6.7 beam routine.<br /><br />Conditioning for sure. Zeng Siqi springs to mind straight away!Beautiful Gymnasticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00935698970163328051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-12726526515275999222013-11-20T22:59:51.248+00:002013-11-20T22:59:51.248+00:00It's a really interesting idea what China is d...It's a really interesting idea what China is doing. I really wish FIG would offer some bonus to difficult beam and bars mounts. God I cannot stand the glide kips anymores.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-5905665600370947432013-11-20T12:52:55.870+00:002013-11-20T12:52:55.870+00:00I love that for Simone, a Cheng is mundane :p Hers...I love that for Simone, a Cheng is mundane :p Hers is lovely though, she gets such massive block off the horse, much more dynamic than Mckayla's Mustafina. Simone is awesome, her skill set is amazing and she seems like such a happy person in and out the gym. I don't love power gymnastics but I do love her. I'm completely with you about not worrying about her, her coaches are very careful and all the videos we've seen of her throwing crazy tricks look more like they are for fun and not trained competitively. I wouldn't worry about her ability to throw single tricks even if they're crazy, but of course as you point out it's different in a routine, with concerns over stamina. <br /><br />I think the new Chinese changes are interesting, though they really seem like they would only really show effects with the next Olympic cycle rather than Rio.. then again, Russia did something similar by imposing an internal COP when Alexandrov took the helm and that did show results quickly within a short period of time. Still, China really suffers with vault and floor and I think it's more of an issue with how they pick the girls from a young age - those with a lot of power may be getting rejected at the early levels of the system because they lack the perfect precision China loves (landings etc) while those who stick tumbling passes as children might not have enough power to upgrade. I also wonder if more intense conditioning would help, as flexibility and strength are usually direct opposites so the more flexible you are, the more strength you need to develop to keep pace with the flexibility and also to prevent injury.Rachelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-91326202273252311932013-11-20T07:12:47.818+00:002013-11-20T07:12:47.818+00:00I don't think we will see any of those super h...I don't think we will see any of those super hard skills, though I do believe it's possible she could do them. Maybe as a once-off but even with her almost freakish power, I'd be concerned with for instance a dismount like that remaining in her routine for a good period of time. I don't mean the TTY though.Beautiful Gymnasticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00935698970163328051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2287202282884938977.post-90021622874886436522013-11-20T03:09:24.586+00:002013-11-20T03:09:24.586+00:00WOW...Simone's double-double off beam is so cl...WOW...Simone's double-double off beam is so close to being landed perfectly! But don't you think all these hard skills are a bit much? The full-in dismount is a G element, right? Won't the double-double dismount be worth the same as a full-in unless she breaks the code like Moors did with her double-double layout? The same thing goes for all her other superhuman skills...I don't know. I think it's too much unnecessary pounding. What do you think, Catherine? I saw Simone at Worlds, and though all her difficult skills look effortless, I can't help but feel she's going to either get injured or tire herself out too soon. In theory, can't she get the same difficulty doing a bunch of connection passes with easier skills instead of all these insane skills? She may be doing superhuman things, but she is still human... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com