Simone will be fine, I'd rather they rest her for a minor comp like Pac Rims than risk serious injury. I wish they had subbed Brenna instead of Peyton in though. Grishy, on the other hand............*sobs and flings self off cliff*
Yeah hopefully. Shoulders though can be nagging and Ohashi and Memmel come to mind. I think it's moreso the fear that this injury will haunt her, rather than having to miss Pac Rims. That sucks for her but she definitely doesn't need it.
I was looking forward to Price/Biles showdown, but at least we have training videos.
I'm also heartbroken over Grishina's injury. I hope she makes a competitive return later this quad, but it's such a shame she wont compete this year. She was doing such beautiful work at Russian Champs
Ross isn't guaranteed a silver here at all. I think the 2 per country rule is applied at Pac Rims. It will also be interesting to see if Ernst can snatch a medal out from under Ross. Ernst has about 1 pt over Ross in potential difficulty (currently). If she makes up what her errors on beam were in Jeselo, she could have 1.2 in D added back to her beam, plus whatever execution errors she suffered with the loss of D. She was only behind Ross (with a balked vault) by 3.5 tenths in the AA
All these haters: Ross had a back injury. Believe me if you ever played sports with a back injury ; they can take forever to heal and try to compete on one. She came back ; a month later and still got a 58.0. Once she's healed and gets back to full she'll be working on her upgrades. I feel Simone will be a one trick pony.? The gymnist who will diminate will be bailie ; with senior and jr competing. I'm going with kyla and bailie to dominate at pacs . All haters can hate but kyla is one of the best gymnist to ever compete.
Just so we're on the same page, I'm actually a big fan of Ross (and her coaches). I'm just saying that she and Ernst will be quite close in this competition and Ernst has a good chance to beat her. Ross is going to have to work hard for medal, regardless of the color. For reference, here are their current start values (based on training videos and 2014 meets): Ross, 5.8 5.9 6.1 5.5, Total 23.3 Ernst, 5.8 5.9 6.5 5.8, Total 24.0 Price, 6.3, 6.5, 6.2, 6.1, Total 25.1
Ross will have to be clean to make up her 7 tenth deficit, and Ernst can't foul up. Even when clean, Ernst has lower execution than Ross across all four pieces - but since Ross is competing safer routines as she comes back from injury, they are far enough in difficulty that Ernst has a shot to win.
Price is very far ahead and probably wont be caught by anyone in this competition unless suffering a major problem.
Dude, Simone is far from a one-trick pony. She excels on vault and floor, and her bars and beam have improved tremendously. As long as she can protect her health (which it sounds like she and her coach re doing intelligently) she'll be the one to beat in the next few years. Honestly, if McKayla doesn't improve/upgrade her second vault Simone'll beat her out on vault as well.
I have to laugh at one trick pony. One trick ponies don't make all 4 EF at worlds and leave their first worlds with 2 golds, a silver and a bronze. I'm glad they're protecting her now, she doesn't even need Classics..maybe one or two events?
Bailie is a force to be reckoned with but a healthy Simone is well up to the task. Besides, they need more than one top all arounder.
It comes down to executing and artistry you can be price and have all the difficulty in the world but if you don't show execution with artistry the judges are going to eat you alive. Especially internationally kyla is not only well perceived internationally but she executes it's not all about how difficult or looking like a robot. Look what happened to jordyn wieber. Let's not forget baillie key ; I believe this competition is sr and jr. I believe she's the only one who has a chance to beat kyla because she executes with artistry. Plus difculty once she gets her ub up its lights out
Yes, the juniors and seniors compete at Pac Rims, but not against each other. There are separate junior and senior titles. Key may outscore Ross, Ernst and Price. She actually beat them Ernst and Price at Jesolo, but both seniors counted major problems (balked vault, terrible beam). If the seniors are clean, I don't see Key outscoring them, but it will definitely be close.
For Price to lose to Ross, Ross will have to outperform her by about 0.5 tenths on each piece. Is it impossible? No, Ross is quite good and can make up that difference for some of the reasons you stated, but I think it requires that Price counts a fall. If everyone is clean Price takes it. Similarly Ernst and Ross will be a closer match, Ross only needs to make up 7 tenths across the four pieces to beat Ernst.
Anon, Ebee's difficulty advantage on Kyla was massive, and a Kyla not at 100% at that. Ebee gets hit for her leaps but that and Kyla's superior execution aren't enough to bridge that gap, as the results showed.
Key was the best today I feel price once again was overscored key out performed her on bb and floor her ub should have been higher what a a joke. And I give kyla all the praise to come backs and compete with a back injury with dropping her dif down to a 22 and still getting a 58.7 that's skill lets see when worlds come around and she's healthy last I checked her ub is down by .7 and her bb is down by .6 with her floor a tad bit down she'll prove all you haters by worlds and baillie once her ub is up which should have been around 14.6 she was on fire her bb should have been higher for me she was the best tonight and clean all around
Nobody hates Kyla. Her bars were down 0.5 I thought.
I fully expect Kyla to bring back her Antwerp difficulty for Nanning worlds. She will be an important part of the team. I'm really not sure how feasible further upgrades are for her, considering her back (indeed back issues are no joke), height and desire to compete in college so I wouldn't be surprised if that is the height we see from her.
I didn't think Price was overscored at all. On floor, she stuck her double-double and DLO, and hit her leaps. Sure, it isn't terribly artistic, but her execution on her tumbling is excellent. On bars she was also scored fairly - a 15.1 with a 6.4 D-score is almost exactly what I would have calculated for her as well. Also, artistry =/= execution. Price might not be terribly artistic but her execution on most events is excellent, especially on floor and vault. Beam is the only exception, as she struggles (both with consistency and execution) and I thought she was definitely fairly scored here; her leaps have improved and she's clearly been working hard. Vault I also felt was scored fairly. She had quite a step and didn't get her usual height, but still got it fully around and landed dead center. As a result, she was deducted roughly .6 in E-score, which seems fair.
Price has plenty of experience with international judging; she's competed in 5 World Cups. At the last few world cups she was hit hard on bars for her bail-handstand, and she's clearly worked hard to improve that. I commend her for her hard work especially after what was basically a year-long hip injury.
I also give Kyla major props for coming back from a back injury - that certainly isn't easy. I think downgrading was probably a good thing to do. However, the reality is that unless she upgrades enough to keep her D-scores competitive, she'll probably go back to being a BB/UB gymnast for team competitions. She'll medal with lower D-scores if her other competitors falter or fall (not unusual - see 2009 Worlds), but between the rising seniors and some of her consistent/high D-score teammates, I'm not sure Marta would give her the AA spot again. Realistically, it all depends on nationals anyway.
That said, I would LOVE for her to prove me wrong. She said in an interview that she was training a BHS-Arabian on beam and I would love to see her compete it. The catch is that she (like Price) has also accepted a scholarship at Stanford, so it's possible that she's trying to preserve her body to get ready for college. But I hope she has at least one more year of elite in her, as I really like Kyla (both her gymnastics and her character; she seems like a smart, humble kid).
I'm on board Kaitlyn, you've expressed a lot of thoughts I have as well. I'm hoping to see the upgrades you mentioned from Ross. In her post Pac Rim interview, she said that Marta started to put the pressure on her to upgrade and build her endurance. I'm expecting a return of her in-bar work and I'm hoping for the bhs+arabian series on beam. Those changes alone add 0.9 (0.5 for the 3 in-bar, 0.4 for bhs+arabian) which would make her significantly more competitive in the all-around.
yeah, I saw that interview too. If Marta's putting the pressure on her to upgrade it doesn't bode well for Marta's deciding to keep her as an AAer instead of using her as a specialist. But I hope she adds the upgrades.
I saw it and what I took from it is Marta wants her Antwerp routines back. Kyla mentions putting back, bringing back her old skills, more difficult skills. It doesn't sound like anything new is planned and she couldn't be faulted for that what with her back, growth, and wanting to preserve herself for college maybe.
A scholarship for college is, as anon would say, the "real deal" here in the States. It's worth probably over 200 grand at private institutions - so I'm totally for a Ross reserved for four years of college gymnastics. She would translate beautifully to NCAA on VT, UB and BB - although I'm not sure how she would translate to NCAA-style FX. Where is she going? (and when, next season?)
Price was deffinetely overscored; like the Tyson cup. I don't just want to see dif and robot work . That's why I like baillie : she has dif with artistry and execution. She got. A. 59.2 as a jr . Just wait as a senior; if she doesn't get injured and ups her ub. . With hopefully a armarar . She'll very tough to beat. I want to see old School with artistry. And judges not just awarding robotic difficulty. We had that did that with jordyn wieber. When baillie key is a senior: watch out price, Simone, and the world. This girl is the real deal.
I'm in absolute shock looking at Elli Black's beam. That is just SO BEAUTIFUL. Amazing pike front and one of the best layouts to 2 feet I've ever seen. Apparently she had an insane 6.6 D score, we're talking about a routine that could challenge a healthy Larisa, and this is only the beginning of the season. I really hope she makes beam finals at Nanning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG0tLzN8ePI Her leg for on twisting elements is still ugly as fuck though, terrible form on the dismount.
I myself think her floor is pretty artistic, both the new one and the old one. However, I see a total robot on beam, it looks like she's always playing safe on beam especially on the landings and there her coreo looks really robotic. I think what hides her roboticity is the fact that she's naturally elegant.
Not particularly. She's very clean and she has nice lines and her late 2013 floor was a big improvement on what went before.
She is not a natural dancer and is extremely stiff, her upper body tends not to move. If you watch her floor and then one of Grishina's old ones that would make more sense. One moves and flows with her body and the other does not. Likewise on beam, Kyla does not stand out there artistically. Recently her rythmn there has totally deteriorated but hopefully she can work on that.
Simone will be fine, I'd rather they rest her for a minor comp like Pac Rims than risk serious injury. I wish they had subbed Brenna instead of Peyton in though. Grishy, on the other hand............*sobs and flings self off cliff*
ReplyDeleteYeah hopefully. Shoulders though can be nagging and Ohashi and Memmel come to mind. I think it's moreso the fear that this injury will haunt her, rather than having to miss Pac Rims. That sucks for her but she definitely doesn't need it.
DeleteI was looking forward to Price/Biles showdown, but at least we have training videos.
DeleteI'm also heartbroken over Grishina's injury. I hope she makes a competitive return later this quad, but it's such a shame she wont compete this year. She was doing such beautiful work at Russian Champs
Grishi broke my heart! And did you see Musty crying after???
ReplyDeleteAs for Simone, I feel it is great idea to rest her. This way, Kyla can at least win silver... Because she was doomed for bronze beforee
Ross isn't guaranteed a silver here at all. I think the 2 per country rule is applied at Pac Rims. It will also be interesting to see if Ernst can snatch a medal out from under Ross. Ernst has about 1 pt over Ross in potential difficulty (currently). If she makes up what her errors on beam were in Jeselo, she could have 1.2 in D added back to her beam, plus whatever execution errors she suffered with the loss of D. She was only behind Ross (with a balked vault) by 3.5 tenths in the AA
DeleteAll these haters: Ross had a back injury. Believe me if you ever played sports with a back injury ; they can take forever to heal and try to compete on one. She came back ; a month later and still got a 58.0. Once she's healed and gets back to full she'll be working on her upgrades. I feel Simone will be a one trick pony.? The gymnist who will diminate will be bailie ; with senior and jr competing. I'm going with kyla and bailie to dominate at pacs . All haters can hate but kyla is one of the best gymnist to ever compete.
ReplyDeleteJust so we're on the same page, I'm actually a big fan of Ross (and her coaches). I'm just saying that she and Ernst will be quite close in this competition and Ernst has a good chance to beat her. Ross is going to have to work hard for medal, regardless of the color. For reference, here are their current start values (based on training videos and 2014 meets):
DeleteRoss, 5.8 5.9 6.1 5.5, Total 23.3
Ernst, 5.8 5.9 6.5 5.8, Total 24.0
Price, 6.3, 6.5, 6.2, 6.1, Total 25.1
Ross will have to be clean to make up her 7 tenth deficit, and Ernst can't foul up. Even when clean, Ernst has lower execution than Ross across all four pieces - but since Ross is competing safer routines as she comes back from injury, they are far enough in difficulty that Ernst has a shot to win.
Price is very far ahead and probably wont be caught by anyone in this competition unless suffering a major problem.
Dude, Simone is far from a one-trick pony. She excels on vault and floor, and her bars and beam have improved tremendously. As long as she can protect her health (which it sounds like she and her coach re doing intelligently) she'll be the one to beat in the next few years. Honestly, if McKayla doesn't improve/upgrade her second vault Simone'll beat her out on vault as well.
DeleteI have to laugh at one trick pony. One trick ponies don't make all 4 EF at worlds and leave their first worlds with 2 golds, a silver and a bronze. I'm glad they're protecting her now, she doesn't even need Classics..maybe one or two events?
DeleteBailie is a force to be reckoned with but a healthy Simone is well up to the task. Besides, they need more than one top all arounder.
One trick pony with four tricks!
DeleteIt comes down to executing and artistry you can be price and have all the difficulty in the world but if you don't show execution with artistry the judges are going to eat you alive. Especially internationally kyla is not only well perceived internationally but she executes it's not all about how difficult or looking like a robot. Look what happened to jordyn wieber. Let's not forget baillie key ; I believe this competition is sr and jr. I believe she's the only one who has a chance to beat kyla because she executes with artistry. Plus difculty once she gets her ub up its lights out
ReplyDeleteYes, the juniors and seniors compete at Pac Rims, but not against each other. There are separate junior and senior titles. Key may outscore Ross, Ernst and Price. She actually beat them Ernst and Price at Jesolo, but both seniors counted major problems (balked vault, terrible beam). If the seniors are clean, I don't see Key outscoring them, but it will definitely be close.
DeleteFor Price to lose to Ross, Ross will have to outperform her by about 0.5 tenths on each piece. Is it impossible? No, Ross is quite good and can make up that difference for some of the reasons you stated, but I think it requires that Price counts a fall. If everyone is clean Price takes it. Similarly Ernst and Ross will be a closer match, Ross only needs to make up 7 tenths across the four pieces to beat Ernst.
Anon, Ebee's difficulty advantage on Kyla was massive, and a Kyla not at 100% at that. Ebee gets hit for her leaps but that and Kyla's superior execution aren't enough to bridge that gap, as the results showed.
DeleteKey was the best today I feel price once again was overscored key out performed her on bb and floor her ub should have been higher what a a joke. And I give kyla all the praise to come backs and compete with a back injury with dropping her dif down to a 22 and still getting a 58.7 that's skill lets see when worlds come around and she's healthy last I checked her ub is down by .7 and her bb is down by .6 with her floor a tad bit down she'll prove all you haters by worlds and baillie once her ub is up which should have been around 14.6 she was on fire her bb should have been higher for me she was the best tonight and clean all around
ReplyDeleteNobody hates Kyla. Her bars were down 0.5 I thought.
DeleteI fully expect Kyla to bring back her Antwerp difficulty for Nanning worlds. She will be an important part of the team. I'm really not sure how feasible further upgrades are for her, considering her back (indeed back issues are no joke), height and desire to compete in college so I wouldn't be surprised if that is the height we see from her.
I didn't think Price was overscored at all. On floor, she stuck her double-double and DLO, and hit her leaps. Sure, it isn't terribly artistic, but her execution on her tumbling is excellent. On bars she was also scored fairly - a 15.1 with a 6.4 D-score is almost exactly what I would have calculated for her as well. Also, artistry =/= execution. Price might not be terribly artistic but her execution on most events is excellent, especially on floor and vault. Beam is the only exception, as she struggles (both with consistency and execution) and I thought she was definitely fairly scored here; her leaps have improved and she's clearly been working hard. Vault I also felt was scored fairly. She had quite a step and didn't get her usual height, but still got it fully around and landed dead center. As a result, she was deducted roughly .6 in E-score, which seems fair.
ReplyDeletePrice has plenty of experience with international judging; she's competed in 5 World Cups. At the last few world cups she was hit hard on bars for her bail-handstand, and she's clearly worked hard to improve that. I commend her for her hard work especially after what was basically a year-long hip injury.
I also give Kyla major props for coming back from a back injury - that certainly isn't easy. I think downgrading was probably a good thing to do. However, the reality is that unless she upgrades enough to keep her D-scores competitive, she'll probably go back to being a BB/UB gymnast for team competitions. She'll medal with lower D-scores if her other competitors falter or fall (not unusual - see 2009 Worlds), but between the rising seniors and some of her consistent/high D-score teammates, I'm not sure Marta would give her the AA spot again. Realistically, it all depends on nationals anyway.
That said, I would LOVE for her to prove me wrong. She said in an interview that she was training a BHS-Arabian on beam and I would love to see her compete it. The catch is that she (like Price) has also accepted a scholarship at Stanford, so it's possible that she's trying to preserve her body to get ready for college. But I hope she has at least one more year of elite in her, as I really like Kyla (both her gymnastics and her character; she seems like a smart, humble kid).
I'm on board Kaitlyn, you've expressed a lot of thoughts I have as well. I'm hoping to see the upgrades you mentioned from Ross. In her post Pac Rim interview, she said that Marta started to put the pressure on her to upgrade and build her endurance. I'm expecting a return of her in-bar work and I'm hoping for the bhs+arabian series on beam. Those changes alone add 0.9 (0.5 for the 3 in-bar, 0.4 for bhs+arabian) which would make her significantly more competitive in the all-around.
Deleteyeah, I saw that interview too. If Marta's putting the pressure on her to upgrade it doesn't bode well for Marta's deciding to keep her as an AAer instead of using her as a specialist. But I hope she adds the upgrades.
DeleteI saw it and what I took from it is Marta wants her Antwerp routines back. Kyla mentions putting back, bringing back her old skills, more difficult skills. It doesn't sound like anything new is planned and she couldn't be faulted for that what with her back, growth, and wanting to preserve herself for college maybe.
DeleteA scholarship for college is, as anon would say, the "real deal" here in the States. It's worth probably over 200 grand at private institutions - so I'm totally for a Ross reserved for four years of college gymnastics. She would translate beautifully to NCAA on VT, UB and BB - although I'm not sure how she would translate to NCAA-style FX. Where is she going? (and when, next season?)
DeleteProbably Stanford but nothing certain yet. Not sure about when, she'll be waiting to see if she can last to Rio as elite I'd say.
DeletePrice was deffinetely overscored; like the Tyson cup. I don't just want to see dif and robot work . That's why I like baillie : she has dif with artistry and execution. She got. A. 59.2 as a jr . Just wait as a senior; if she doesn't get injured and ups her ub. . With hopefully a armarar . She'll very tough to beat. I want to see old School with artistry. And judges not just awarding robotic difficulty. We had that did that with jordyn wieber. When baillie key is a senior: watch out price, Simone, and the world. This girl is the real deal.
ReplyDeleteI'm in absolute shock looking at Elli Black's beam. That is just SO BEAUTIFUL. Amazing pike front and one of the best layouts to 2 feet I've ever seen. Apparently she had an insane 6.6 D score, we're talking about a routine that could challenge a healthy Larisa, and this is only the beginning of the season. I really hope she makes beam finals at Nanning.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG0tLzN8ePI
Her leg for on twisting elements is still ugly as fuck though, terrible form on the dismount.
Catherine, do you consider Kyla to be an artistic gymnast? Personally, I believe her choreography is slightly robotic and over rehearsed.
ReplyDeleteI myself think her floor is pretty artistic, both the new one and the old one. However, I see a total robot on beam, it looks like she's always playing safe on beam especially on the landings and there her coreo looks really robotic. I think what hides her roboticity is the fact that she's naturally elegant.
DeleteNot particularly. She's very clean and she has nice lines and her late 2013 floor was a big improvement on what went before.
DeleteShe is not a natural dancer and is extremely stiff, her upper body tends not to move. If you watch her floor and then one of Grishina's old ones that would make more sense. One moves and flows with her body and the other does not. Likewise on beam, Kyla does not stand out there artistically. Recently her rythmn there has totally deteriorated but hopefully she can work on that.
So clean yes, artistic no not really.
Hi Catherine,
ReplyDeleteDo you know if Tan Jiaxin ever competed on beam? I don't think I've ever seen a beam routine by her.