Anyway, Nationals! Here are the results of the AA today, translated by the wonderful Golden China
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Translating ain't easy and english-speaking regularly-posting great sources for Chinese gymnastics are extremely rare, so hurray!
By all accounts, we were not blessed with a hit-fest. Very, very few went clean. One of which, astonishingly, was Shang Chunsong with a very respectable score. I always expect her to come to grief on bars somewhere. Made up for that a bit with a very nervy beam, but all in all, a great day for her. Wang Yan was lucky to place second after she sat her beam dismount, left out skills, and then had some big error/possible fall on her double double on floor. I am waiting and waiting for her to learn to be a competitor since she has so much to give, and now that she's senior, I'm getting impatient. She could be so great! But, it's early in the season and I'm prepared to keep rooting for her. Chen Siyi is a nice surprise considering she has some health issues, although her scores aren't particularly outstanding. Liu Tingting had a meltdown on beam sadly but Mao Yi seems to have been quite impressive today. She's a super twister and is definitely one to watch.
Hoping to catch up on available videos sometime this week! It will be very interesting to see how the team is formed for Glasgow. Shang Chunsong is the only lock, I expect Wang Yan and Mao Yi/Deng Yalan to feature. The rest is very much dependent on health. In our top 10 from today, the top 5 are age eligible, plus Bai Yawen. Let us hope Yao Jinnan continues to be not in contention. Rio is far more important and shoulders are so pesky and fragile.
Overall, I'm uneasy about the amount of falls today. It's early, and there are health issues, but I continue to despair over how ill-suited China is to this code. And so injury-prone with their body types.
They had some pretty massive vaults at these championships , so at least vault isn't looking bad. The top 3 who qualified had 6.2, 6.0 DV. Also on floor too, with Wang Yan coming in at 6.3 and Chang Shungsong with a 6.4(!). Can't wait to see what upgrades she has...
ReplyDeletei think the problem is their execution of those big skills on FX: whether it's domestic or international, looking at their overall score you'd never guess that they had competitive D-scores. (I'm speaking more generally and over a long period of time than any one person or year specifically).
DeleteYes. Shang Chunsong couldn't break 8.0 with her floor, and even with Chinese harsh scoring (although she normally does alright), if it was indeed a hit routine then something is wrong there.
DeleteI feel like they are just throwing skills. If the girl is powerful, then it works out. Execution takes a massive hit though. They need to focus on technique and stamina and in the long-term, quit filtering body type.
well, 57 is a respectable AA score under the Chinese nationals which doesn't inflate score but is there any bonus? I see qualification scores on thegymternet with some tenth of bonus here and there....
ReplyDeleteGood that they have someone trying out harder vt and fx. However those big vt and fx skills favor more muscular body types. This will be interesting to see how they stack up at worlds, although I think Russia will likely beat them this yr.
From the videos I have seen of the Chinese vaults, the executions are terrible. None of the Chinese will contend for a podium on vault. I think Russia can beat them too. With those Amanars and Chengs, and Afanasyeva back on doing FX, the fight for silver medal will be tight.
DeleteYes, there are various bonuses - e.g. I think a .3 bonus for vaults harder than a 6.0D, bonuses for certain levels of skills on floor (e.g. double doubles) and dismounts off beam and bars, connection bonuses on beam.
DeleteSo AAFinal scores have bonus? Hmm hard to tease it out w.o some breakdown of the score like in qual
DeleteI think Russia is so far consistently better than the Chinese at vt and also at fx. Wonder if that's enough to make up for bars and beam Chinese advantage.
ReplyDeleteUB is the only strong apparatus for China. They are good on BB, but not great. Russia and China are fighting for that silver, I would give Russia the advantage over China on this occasion, just for reason of having 3 very difficult vaults. Those Amanars/Chengs will give Russia that edge over China.
DeleteRussia's apparatus is undoubtedly the UB, but they are not as good as they were in London.
China: VT - Not good, UB - Great, BB - Very good, FX - Horrible
Russia: VT - Good, UB - Above Good but below great, BB - Above bad but below good, FX - Somewhat good
Also, while Russia isn't exactly consistent on BB, neither is China. They do beautiful work when they hit, but they rarely go 3 for 3 either in a TF. Similarly, while Russia's UB lineup isn't as strong as it was, neither is China's right now. They are missing Yao Jinnan from their lineup, Huang looks less reliable than she was at this time last year and both Tan Jiaxin and Shang Chunsong had issues at Natls on UB, they don't really have amazing UB workers amongst their AAers apart from Shang and Yao which means it may be difficult to squeeze a UB specialist on a small team. It may end up being a tossup between putting a UB specialist on the team or a FX or VT specialist.
DeleteMy bet is we will likely see a vt/fx specialist like Wang. I just cannot see how they would not have such specialist on the worlds team since that has been their problem since last quad. they have more ub/bb beam workers. Shang probably bought her ticket to worlds this year. I think we will also likely see Huang Huidan again given that she won silver ub last year and looks like their most consistent bar worker.
DeleteThis past week has been so crazy skill-wise. Andrade threw a one and a half double back, kelly simm did a stoop pike tkatchev and mao Yi did a 3 and a half twist to front tuck.
ReplyDeleteI saw the videos of the Chinese on floor at Nationals. They are definitely going all out on floor exercise, especially with those insanely difficult twisting passes like the 3.5 to punch front and the 2.5 to front 1.5 twists; however, the execution was SCARY, seeing as most of the time it looked like an injury waiting to happen. Shang chunsong especially it on her 3.5 to front Pike. I agree with the earlier comment stating China needs to work on endurance and executing current skills perfectly first before upgrading like crazy. But nonetheless, it is very exciting to see what they are up to since usually China is hush-hush.
DeleteHmm, not impressed with the execution. They seem to be trying too hard and too fast... If someone like Shang get injured then they will be in real trouble as they don't even have that many veterans. Well, hopefully we will see huang huidan and her nice ub and bai yawen;s beam again...
DeleteNia Dennis
ReplyDeleteMadison Desch
Rachel Gowey
Felicia Hano
Amelia Hundley
Lauren Navarro
Emily Schild
Megan Skaggs
Not related to Chinese but here's the 8 out of which 5 will go to PanAm. I surely like to see Rachel since she's the only one we haven't seen in any vids this year. Any other comment? Not esp a top notch team, so maybe some doors left open?
Whoever advances to Pan Am will have a shot in Glasgow this year. My money is on Gowey, Dennis, Navarro(Kyla-like on beam), Schild and Skaggs.
Deletewell, a shot but still a long shot since they still have to compete against those in the A team (of which none are going to PanAm).
DeleteI guess I am glad at least Marta is giving everyone a chance to get some international experiences....I was hoping to see at least see say skinner but that's interesting we won't even see her.... Well, she really doesn't have much to prove either since we know that as long as she has her cheng and amanar she is locked to be back again at worlds for the vt medal.
I think only Rachel Gowey and Nia Dennis can really compete with the A team for World team spots and that still a long shot but they have the skill. Though I do think Marta will value the more experienced girls more
ReplyDeleteIt's a slim chance for Dennis or Gowey in making it to the A team because their difficulty and consistency level is subpar to those on top. I can see Gowey making it over Dennis, if she gets her Amanar back, plus strong BB and FX. Dennis is too far behind this year.
DeleteSo you think US should still be able to get the team and AA gold at PanAm along with a few event medals even with this team? I figure there are a few like JLo if she hits who could actually give this team a good challenge.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely! Even the US B team are the best B team in the world.
DeleteUs B team probably would have medaled last years worlds
DeleteYeah, but I don't think you can underestimate too much the rest of the worlds. At least back in 2011 PanAm you got Shawn and Bridget. This time there's no one like Shawn and Bridget Sloan or Bridgette Caquatto. Well, maybe I need to give the current team a little more credit...
DeleteThat's true but Nia Dennis has some potential and i think is being over looked due to not making jesolo. Rachel I believe can have a solid year the only think I see her taking out is the triple off beam not really a reason to downgrade anywhere else.
DeleteFound yr Chinese bonus system:
ReplyDeletehttp://beautifulgymnastics.blogspot.de/2013/11/chinas-new-bonus-system-and-superhuman.html?m=1
wow, a 1.0 bonus for vt > 6.3,,,,, And still no taker yet!
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